If I could would I actually turn you atheist?

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‘Want to come to church with us tomorrow morning Sarah?’ ‘no.. sorry’ I replied. Sorry? Why am I sorry? I’m a perpetual atheist and hold strong beliefs against the idea of ‘religion’. I mean surely my well rounded parents of intellect can understand that their Christian beleifs have been determined by the culture they’ve grown up in. If they’d been born in china they’d be Buddhists if they’d been born in India they’d most probably be a Hindu. I told my parents this but they said ‘well.. Lucky I’ve been born in England then!’. Now there’s a lot I have a problem with about that reply. 1. They’ve not explored other religions, or the hundreds of other gods 2. They are pretty much admitting they’d be a different religion if born in a different country, surely undermining the omnipotent quality of god, I mean he’s really not powerful enough to penetrate manmade culturalisation?

I like to think debating and philosophy are, in comparison to my other qualities, the strongest ones I have, so, I often debate with my theistic, Christian parents. But there comes a point where I begin to feel bad, after I’ve shut down point after point and the only argument standing is ‘god works I’m mysterious ways’ not only do I want to hit my head repeatedly against a hard wall but I also want to hug my parents and almost apologise. Its because I know their beliefs, although dillusional, are so very close to their hearts. I know that’s where their hope that everything will be ok lies. I know preying (a concept that has numerous flaws, such as relying on an occasionally intervening, non perfect god) offers the a source of comfort. And I, their daughter am attacking this? Surely it’s wrong, in any sense, to tear away someones comfort blanket, even if they should’ve grown out of it.

13 thoughts on “If I could would I actually turn you atheist?

    Whittlin Rich said:
    September 30, 2013 at 2:25 am

    The world came into existence by some mechanism, and we act within this world by some mechanism. What are those mechanisms? Different cultures have different explanations, but they’re all attempting to define the same thing.

    Individually and culturally, we all have different perspectives on life, seeing our surroundings with subtle differences. And because the details of life are not so easily defined, there are numerous religions and philosophies attempting to pin-down some kind of truth.

    But where is that truth? Even after thousands of years, human civilization still disagrees as to what constitutes truth. So perhaps it’s delusional to believe that truth can be found? And if we cannot find truth, then by what standard can we judge the ideas of others? If their ideas don’t stem from a solid foundation, how do we know ours do?

    Sreejit Poole said:
    September 30, 2013 at 3:14 am

    All valid arguments. I tend towards God is powerful enough to come in the form that we’ll understand him, which is validating all religions, at least there is some logic in that. But the truth is that it is blind faith unless we have some mystic experience. Either we accept the views of mystics who believe they can see or we don’t, but the whole ‘my religion is better than your religion’ business is totally crazy. You would think that all worshipers would have a kinship, despite the form, as they are all preaching love, but crazily everyone hates each other. Just a sad situation all around.

    overdoneit said:
    September 30, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    If I could believe in God I totally would. Nothingness is a depressing concept I wouldn’t want anyone else to have to live with.

      Mental Pixelation said:
      September 30, 2013 at 4:48 pm

      I believe in emptiness and I am content, it is possible, in fact for me it makes life even more amazing

        overdoneit said:
        September 30, 2013 at 4:53 pm

        I don’t know. There’s a good deal of nihilism on the path to contentment. Wouldn’t it be great to look at the world and see archangels and the afterlife and all that. It’s definitely more honest to believe in nothing, as we do, but it probably is way less fulfilling.

        Mental Pixelation said:
        September 30, 2013 at 4:59 pm

        But isn’t what we know to be true great enough? The complexity of evolution which has lead to you and I with complex enough brains to even consider these ideas. I mean the world is imperfect, if I believed that there was a creator god I would expect him to sort out these imperfections, might seem ridiculouse and highly hypothetical but why is it so stupid for me to settle for an imperfect world created by an all loving all knowing and all powerful divinity?

        overdoneit said:
        September 30, 2013 at 5:12 pm

        It is pretty great at times. I had that exact thought about self awareness before. I wouldn’t call either option perfect or imperfect. I think that the issues with free will are really damaging to an omnipresent god but then again determinism exists without one too. My point is there isn’t some perfect middle ground. I think we’re agreeing about the whole atheist thing so putting that aside would you change it if you could?

    Mental Pixelation said:
    September 30, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    I’ve never been asked that question before, and it’s a great question by the way. Um, it takes a bit of thinking about I can imagine and I don’t quite know. I suppose in all honesty I would like there to be. I mean I’d have a lot of questions to ask but it would certainly be a massive comfort, knowing there’s something ‘more’ something greater, always there for you. But to me it’ll always remain illogical.

    Russel Ray Photos said:
    September 10, 2014 at 1:04 am

    Thanks for letting me camp out in your blog for a little while today. I had a great time and tried to leave my campsite as good as when I arrived. I’ll be back!

    Mental Pixelation responded:
    September 10, 2014 at 1:09 am

    Russel you have left it spotless! I think you deserve a complimentary drink when you return – on the house.

    cabrogal said:
    September 10, 2014 at 1:41 am

    Surely it’s wrong, in any sense, to tear away someones comfort blanket, even if they should’ve grown out of it.

    Especially as your atheism is no less a matter of experience based faith than your parents’ Christianity. Atheism is just a dominant post-Enlightenment belief system of the society you come from. It certainly has no basis in logic as to ‘prove’ atheism would be to prove a negative (i.e. prove the non-existence of gods).

    If you had been born into an Indian Hindu village family doubtless you would be a Hindu just as your parents implicitly admit they would be. And if you were born into a pre-Enlightenment Christian family you would doubtless think it a moral imperative to try to ‘save’ non-believers by converting them to your own beliefs.

    Mental Pixelation responded:
    September 10, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    I’m not a believer of any kind, I’m an atheist. An atheist isn’t someone who believes there is no god, they are people who have a lack of belief in god. So essentially I have not developed an irrational belief in a religion. I am neutral. And the idea, as you say of proving a negative is in itself ludicrous. Atheists have not made a claim to be proven so it is not in our hands to prove anything. Theists have made a claim, the responsibility lies with them to prove it – which just can’t happen. No I cannot prove that god doesn’t exist but can you prove that I am not a dragon living in human form? Can you prove that there isn’t an invisible polar bear living in your house? No you cannot, so are these claims as true as a religious claim?

    Furthermore you are admitting that beliefs are as a result of culture, despite what implications this has for atheists (if believed to be believers) that statement in itself jeopardising the whole idea of religions.

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